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Squabbling over Ron Paul Supporters, Ignoring the Real Issues

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by Chris Anderson

There have been some articles posted lately criticizing Ron Paul supporters for their unconventional approach to getting the word out about the campaign. Specifically characterizing some of their blog and article comment posts as “irritating,” “spam,” or simply asking them to “consider leaving comments with more substance.” While the later comment is certainly well-advised and worth taking to heart, the act of squabbling over methods rather than the message is merely an underhanded attempt at discrediting the Ron Paul campaign itself, a tactic which was started by the mainstream media and is now being perpetuated by bloggers.

The fact that Ron Paul supporters are enthusiastic and willing to work in the trenches disseminating information about him should alert any intelligent person that there is something important about the Ron Paul message and that it needs to be investigated more thoroughly by them.

To be honest, in my own news and blog travels I haven’t come across much intelligent debate at all from other candidate’s supporters, so on the face of it this argument against Ron Paul supporters is one-sided. On the internet I have found the other candidates’ supporters to be few in numbers, unsure of their position and/or simply avoiding anyone who challenges their uninformed political paradigm.

Where are the Thompson supporters commenting on their candidate here? I have found some Mitt Romney supporters, unfortunately the majority of them are simply uninformed about whats going on in the socio-political realm. If anything, Ron Paul supporters are several steps above anyone else with their intelligent and information-driven approach to the debate.

Even still, we can certainly take a cue from Van der Galien and step it up another level. Lets be more active, more thoughtful, more informed, and certainly take time to more fully investigate the other candidates, the issues, and know the Constitution so that we can speak with authority on the issues.

Part of knowing the value of Ron Paul is understanding the lack thereof in the other candidates. Here’s my analysis of Ron Paul vs Mitt Romney having studied their campaign websites.

Being a Mormon, I would quickly support Mitt Romney if he would just support the Constitution. Its clear he isn’t doing that.

Or here’s fantastic analysis of why the GOP needs to nominate Ron Paul.

What do I even need to say about Giuliani and McCain? Do some research for yourselves America!

Many of our own government leaders are either ignorant of the Constitution like Nancy Pelosi or blatantly trying to destroy it. This is why Ron Paul’s message is so important. This is why we need to give no credence to the “spammer” allegations, and not allow the main-stream media or anyone else to discredit the growing sentiments for a return to the values set forth in the Constitution. There are real issues relative to the survival of our nation that need to be discussed. Lets focus on those.

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23 Responses

  1. […] not empty indicators of passion like fundraising numbers or counting “hits” on blog sites. The supporters of Paul should get what they ask for – a serious debate about what their candidate advo…. Reciprocally, this means that Paul supporters should respond in kind, engaging arguments and […]

  2. Ron Paul will Terminate the Federal Reserve

    Kill the WTO

    Kill the IMF

    Kill the U.N.

    Kill the North American Union

    Put our money back on Gold and silver

    Ron Paul for President!

  3. Fundraising numbers are hardly “empty indicators.” Its almost as if you’re saying the same handful of people spammed their one dollar bill to the Ron Paul campaign 5 million times this last quarter. There is definitely substance there, including the fact that Ron Paul’s fundraising rose 114% from last quarter and dropped for the other main Republican candidates.

    I agree whole-heartedly that the real issues need to be debated intelligently, citing facts and sources. So as far as I’m concerned, its on. OK Giuliani supporters, let me have it!

  4. Fundraising by all Republicans has been pretty weak this cycle, with Paul really providing the only real “breakout” numbers. When front-runners like Romney and Guliani aren’t much more than double his numbers, it’s a big deal.

    I haven’t seen a lot of empassioned posts anywhere for any Republicans other than Paul. On the Democratic side, different candidates have their own passionate supporters, but on the Republican side you just don’t see that.

    On the issues, it sure looks like Paul has a nice clear and consistant message. He speaks well and strongly in debates, and can back up his conclusions. The man is absolutely not stupid or crazy by any stretch of the imagination.

    Paul is hitting an interesting nerve out there. He’s capturing the vote and imagination of many disgruntled Republicans, and crossing over Democrats and independents. A lot of people are tired of the ineffectual bickering in Washington, and want to see some real change. Not all of these people are socialists, and really aren’t terribly comfortable with the Democratic front runners either.

    Paul’s only real weakness in a Republican race is the Iraq and foriegn policy issue. However, it’s pretty clear that a hawkish attitude will absolutely not carry any Republican candidate through the general election – the war is just too unpopular. Paul takes this hot-button issue away from the Democrats entirely, and refocuses the debate back to domestic policy.

    Republicans may cry and moan about losing a war overseas, and that’s a valid feeling. Nobody wants a loss in war. However, if they are too adamant on it they will lose all power and influence, and basically be an irrelevant party for years to come.

    It really boils down to whether or not the Republican base cares more about winning in Iraq than losing America entirely. A Clinton presidency with strong Democratic control of Congress is certain to change the face of the USA in ways that are unfathonable. Think of becoming like Europe, with sky high taxes and social programs for every possible thing and a strong enforcement mentality to go after “cheaters”.

  5. Even still, we can certainly take a cue from Van der Galien and step it up another level. Lets be more active, more thoughtful, more informed, and certainly take time to more fully investigate the other candidates, the issues, and know the Constitution so that we can speak with authority on the issues.

    Hopefully it’ll happen ánd… one of my co-bloggers wrote a post about ron paul’s foreign policy – he’ll write more in the coming days / weeks about paul’s views on other policies – and I’ve got to say, that – although they certainly criticize my co-blogger sometimes in harsh terms – the tone is generally good and… people are actually debating the issues.

    Very good to see that.

    As for the other candidates: I’m Dutch and I’ve got to say that one of the things that bugs me most is that the focus seems to be one horse race. The MSM too forgets to talk about the issues completely. When they do talk about the issues occasionally, they don’t do so in an attempt to explain to their viewers or readers what policies a candidate suggets and what impact it would have, ect., but they only focus on what impact this policy suggestion or another will have on the race.

    Utterly amazing.

  6. Troy is a great example of the sort of spammer we’re trying to avoid, and as a Ron Paul supporter I feel I should apologize for him. I roll my eyes and groan when I see this “Kill the U.N.” nonsense spammed across dozens of comment boards today. Ron Paul does not want to “kill the U.N.”. But he will never allow the United Nations dictate what U.S. law should be, and will never subvert U.S. independence on the alter of “International Relations”. The United Nations has its place in the world, but that place is not necessarily at our taxpayers’ dinner table.

    As far as the North American Union is concerned, as late as the 1870s Canada had an open invitation by the Republicans to cast off its monarch and become part of the U.S. As far as this voter is concerned, North America already has a Union. Its charter is the United States Constitution. We don’t need another one.

  7. “Why Blacks Should Think Twice Before Supporting Ron Paul”

    http://www.thoughtmerchant.wordpress.com

    Check it out and leave your comments. Pass the Blog around.

  8. “The fact that Ron Paul supporters are enthusiastic and willing to work in the trenches disseminating information about him should alert any intelligent person that there is something important about the Ron Paul message and that it needs to be investigated more thoroughly by them.”

    The lack of substance in many pro-Ron Paul posts seems to indicate to me that many of his supporters have little clue what his message is. This seems to be true especially among the left-wing side of his base, a base that seems to only like him for being against the war. After all, if they knew his positions on abortion, environment, education, size of government, etc. they would split.

    I agree with 90% of what Ron Paul says, but I have to admit that many of his supporters are way to unrealistic and far too overzealous in their cause. He raised something like 3 million dollars recently and you would think, from the way some of his supporters act, that he just beat Hillary in fund raising.

    Here’s to hoping he wins the primary, but I hope Paul’s supporters aren’t to heartbroken when reality comes crashing down on their heads. After all, voting in a real election isn’t like voting in online straw polls- you only get to vote once and you actually have to leave your house to do it.

  9. “The MSM too forgets to talk about the issues completely. When they do talk about the issues occasionally, they don’t do so in an attempt to explain to their viewers or readers what policies a candidate suggets and what impact it would have, ect., but they only focus on what impact this policy suggestion or another will have on the race.”

    This is an unfortunate result of who owns the mainstream media. If you look into the fact that the majority of the MSM is owned by a handful of the same individuals, their credibility declines significantly.

    There is rarely neutrality or “fair and balanced” reporting anywhere in the news and people need to understand this. They most likely won’t examine the issues with any amount of seriousness regarding their impact.

    Never before in the history of our country have we needed more people to actively research the issues, examine the sources of information, and with God’s help come to their own conclusions. I literally believe the Constitution and our nation’s soveriegnty hang on the political positions Ron Paul is championing.

    As far as the Democrats go, look at their track record. They have the majority in Congress and have done nothing of value with it that I know of. Pelosi isn’t doing a thing about ending the illegal war. Another Clinton term will be more of the same.

  10. Good post Alex.

    I think people like Troy do not intend to come off as “kooks”. Maybe he just assumes that everyone is informed on Rep. Pauls stances on the issues, when obviously that isn’t the case.

    I’d suggest that a little explanation go along with posts like his, and maybe tone down statements like “kill the UN”.

    In other words, put out a little more substance, just like you did 😉

  11. Chris,
    Thoughtful article. Thanks
    Jeff

    RP08

  12. Chris, what you have written is spot on. I think that if any of the other Republican candidates had the kind of passionate supporters that Ron Paul has then we’d see that they can be equally annoying. There already exist many that love to argue with RP supporters on blogs, but their numbers are so few that it appears as if it’s only Paulites that can act like “loonies”, when in reality the internet in general is chalk full of a-holes that seek to piss people off under the veil of annonymity.

  13. What surprises me is just how few people have chosen to make protecting the constitution a primary part of their platform. Although issues like current health care systems, foreign policies, and more are all very important, issues like liberty and the possible errosion of our rights will effect us for… well, the rest of the nation’s existance.

    When Paul says that, instead of being a “strong president,” he’d rather be “strong enough to be weak” and respect the constiutional limits of the executive branch. I can’t help but respect that, and I hope that this sentiment slowly trickles down to society, and people look for more in a candidate than what new programs they will support funding.

  14. “if they knew his positions on abortion, environment, education, size of government, etc. they would split.”

    People tend to miss the point about Ron Paul’s stance on these issues. While he is against abortion, he knows it is not in his power to regulate it, he merely feels it is a “states’ rights” issue. Thus, it would be possible to get an abortion in America (blue states). In addition, we should be realistic about how many of his policies would actually get through Congress. I am strongly pro-woman’s right to choose, but I don’t think he would ever get that bill through the Dem-controlled congress, so I don’t mind his stance on this.
    The most important thing about Paul, is that he would NEVER overstep his presidential duties as outlined in the Constitution, and that is why he will get my vote.

  15. Ron Paul is the only candidate of any party who has any intention of taking the Presidential Oath of Office seriously.
    Is there any another issue worth discussing?
    Would you knowingly hire a greeter at Walmart who has already said he won’t greet?
    …And the stakes are a bit higher with presidents.
    If you don’t have Rule of Law, you have Rule of Tyrants…haven’t we seen enough of that already?
    I’m tired of people judging presidents’ worth by the amount of trouble they drag us through. The best presidents are, in my book, the “do nothing” and “ineffective” presidents like Rutherford Hayes under whom Nothing Bad Happened, and under whom we just happened to thrive, innovate, become wealthy and free like no nation ever before or since.
    Would that really be so bad?

  16. I made a post on my Blog addressing the issue of Ron Paul and the African American community.
    the post is entitled:

    “Why Blacks Should think twice about supporting Ron Paul”

    Come Check it out
    http://www.thoughtmerchant.wordpress.com

  17. This site appears to be for RP bloggers only, but if I may, as a Romney supporter (while also agreeing with much that Ron Paul says), point out a couple of things:
    1. It appears that Romney sites allow all points of view, pro and con, from anyone who wants to post. Most of the other candidates, and I include the RP Youtube sites, edit out the negative comments. I say that, only because you rarely see the spam on sites other than the Romney blogs.
    2. I should point out that I surf the Youtube sites to learn about the candidates, their positions, backgrounds, etc. I did not know anything about Ron Paul when starting the search. I must admit that he has some very good points, some maybe a bit to eccentric for my tastes but solid too. I think Ron Paul is a genuine individual with good goals.
    3. That said, the reason I am posting here is to point out the damage RP supporters are doing to his campaign. The hate, the vulgar language, the arrogant attitudes, the constant spamming of sites, do nothing but turn, what could have been, prospective supporters off of Ron Paul. Too many of you count yourselves among the lunatic right wing fringe and are proud to spout off about it in language and manner not becoming of adults.
    4. One other reason Ron Paul is not getting the respect from the other candidates and, as you claim, the press is because it is a pretty well known supposition that he should really be running as a Libretarian, and will, once he has lost in the Republican primaries. The fear amongst the general Republican population, is that third party ticket will throw the election to the Democrats by splitting the Republican vote, much the same as happened when the very popluar Ross Perot ran on a third party ticket. The question is: Do we want another Clinton to win the White House by default.

    Go to the thread above comparing Ron Paul and Mitt Romney and you will see they have very few differences in ideas. The only big difference that I see is that Romney can win against Hillary, and, with all due respectto the man, I don’t see Ron Paul doing that.

  18. I don’t know I’ve had some of my friend’s blogs attacked repeatedly from these Paulites with Denial of Service attacks.

    If that is not untrustworthy I don’t know what is. the thing is these guys’ blogs where prominent advocates against what the Paulites stood for and so they practiced a form a censure on them.

    I don’t call this “Enthusiasm” I call it obsession and oppressive of opponents to their beliefs.

    millerkevd.wordpress.com

  19. GO RON PAUL! GO RON PAUL! GOD BLESS RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT 2008!

    I’m a 48 year old grandfather who’s greatly appreciating the Ron Paul Presidential campaign! The BIGGER story however is, that Ron Paul has $5.3M cash on hand and that he’s NOT going to take matching funds! Most political experts est. the Ron Paul ever rapidly growing grass-roots volunteer army of 50,000+ to be worth the equivalent of $10M+ per month in campaign contributions! SO WAKE UP NEOCONS & WAR MONGERS!

    America is sick and tired of “BIG BROTHER” government breathing down our necks and getting us involved in no-win, unconstitionally, undeclared “military-industrial” growth wars in the middle east, plus the 130 other countries we have a presence in at the taxpayers expense of $1 TRILLION per year! I personally loathe working 5 months out of the year to pay my income tax obligation that’s earmarked 100% for the “interest-only” payment on the $10 TRILLION National debt to the “ultra-private” Federal Reserve Banking Cartel!

    Of course, I detest our current “pack of beaurocrats” who are spending our tax dollars like “junkies waiting for their next fix!” I am however, extremely delighted as to the way Ron Paul has shown his frugal fiscal responsibility regarding his own personal campaign – Let’s compare that with ANY other presidential candidates finances and review their “donations vs. expenditures” ratios? Then ask yourself this important question – Who do you really want running our economy for the next 4-8 years? A fiscal conservative who thinks our dollars should be backed by something other than printing money out of “thin air” and who would replace the dreaded “Income Tax” with NOTHING! Or just the same ‘ole same ‘ole …btw…FYI to MSM a point of clarification …

    In the United States, non-interventionism has often been confused with Isolationism. Critics of non-interventionism frequently add to this confusion by smearing prominent non-interventionist as isolationists. However, true isolationism combines a non-interventionist foreign policy with protectionism (economic nationalism) and strict border controls to prevent international travel and cultural exchange. The majority non-interventionists in the United States reject protectionism in favor of free trade, international travel, and cultural exchange.

    YES, Ron Paul is a NON-INTERVENTIONIST! Please for God Sake learn the difference, unless you’re intentially misleading or smearing Ron Paul. Also, while I’m on a roll – The term “Long Shot” for Ron Paul can gracefully be discarded into the compost pile of media bias and propaganda. Folks, this may be our last chance … The choice is YOURS! … GOOGLE Ron Paul for yourself and get the WHOLE story on the man many believe to be an American Hero!!!

    Best Ron Paul video – (Reply: WRONG!?Best Presidential Candidacy Video EVER!!!)

    “None are more enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”

  20. Kevin, this site is not “for Ron Paul bloggers only”, anyone who is willing to read the posts and and comments should realize that, I don’t censor any posts—so don’t try and lump me in with other bloggers who do censor (even though you offer no proof this is happening). Anyone is welcome to contribute, I do ask that people at least attempt to offer sources and facts to back up their claims.

    “One other reason Ron Paul is not getting the respect from the other candidates and, as you claim, the press is because it is a pretty well known supposition that he should really be running as a Libretarian, and will, once he has lost in the Republican primaries.”

    J Scott, you’re basically asserting here that all republican candidates have to be and are (except Paul) main-line conservatives and it would follow that all democratic candidates would have to be main-line liberals. This is a ridiculous suggestion, especially when you consider how un-conservative-like Bush has been with our civil liberties and its well-known how much Bill Clinton shifted his positions to the right to get more support.

    A republican is defined as “anyone who favors a republic form of government” which is a “political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.” —Dictionary.com

    It seems to me that a libertarian has no more or less a right to call themselves a republican than a conservative does. Ron Paul has said he will not run as a libertarian if he loses the republican nomination. Ron Paul isn’t Ross Perot, and Ross Perot didn’t have the grassroots support that Paul has.

  21. Ron Paul is running for President of a United States of America that simply does not exist, and perhaps never existed. His paleoconservative views put him at adds with the vast majority of Americans. He will be soundly crushed by everyone from Mike Huckabee to Rudy Giuliani.

  22. nyletter: I guess you haven’t noticed that RP doesn’t use the Republican moniker on any of his signs, literature, street litter left by supporters, etc. Nothing will have to be changed when he loses the nomination and he runs as a third party libertarian.

  23. J Scott: I guess time will tell. Ron Paul said he doesn’t want to run as an independent, he knows the Republican nomination is his only legitimate shot. Are you suggesting he’d purposefully run as an independent to take votes from the republican candidate in order to ensure a democratic victory?

    I’m not one who buys into the republican/democrat, left/right model anyway so I tend to think that if this is what ended up happening, it won’t matter much whether we have a neoconservative or a Clinton. They’re simply different channels airing the same broadcast (figuratively). I just think Ron Paul will be less accepting of the puppeteering that accompanies the position than the others. Like I’ve said before, I would support Romney if he showed he was more willing to take a stand to preserve the Bill of Rights and not advocate illegal wars.

    Does anyone else care that are rights are being trampled upon or do people just accept that its all part of this neoconservative movement and that wherever it leads us we’ll submit to because its been given the ok by mainstream media?

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